2009年3月25日 星期三

Simple Traps For Lazy Brains

  In an industry and commerce society, which requires highly efficiency in everything, Taiwanese people have become less willing to spend a period of time doing one thing at a time. They demand to do several things at a time and this makes them spend less time doing each thing. Since they have little time for each job, it seems to become an excess to let them get further understand of their jobs. Thus it creates a lot of crimes set up for this flaw. Take defraud for example. It has rapidly increased in recent years. People who lack for living experiences would probably get in trapped. In other words, people who are fooled by these gangs are not familiar with the process of the event these gangsters making use of. Until today, there are still many people been swindled and lost their belongings every year. Unbelievably, most of the tricks are very simple such as a phone call informing them they have won a large prize, which is held by an anonymous organization they do not even hear before.

  It is hard to tell whether it is due to the convenient Internet or the permanent cram education culture of Taiwan that people no longer spend time searching for necessary details they need. They just sit in front of a computer, keying in the key words and wait for the approximate correct answers coming out. Whenever they can not get a proper answer they need, they turn to ask someone else to figure it out. Therefore, when they get into a certain event which they are not dealing with everyday, they easily trust in the people who seem to be kind to teach them because they are not willing to find out the answer themselves. If people keep staying in this state, lazy to look for answers by themselves, the amount of wealth been defrauded would keep raising year by year. If you are this kind of person who always waits for somebody to tell you the answer, be ware, the racketeers are targeting you!

4 則留言:

  1. Reviewer's opinions.
    1. What's the connection between people's laziness and the result they are easily to get defrauded?

    2. Your angle is original and new; but maybe u can give more reasons and details, making more explanations to tell about the connection.

    3. I get from your story that people nowadays are easily to get defrauded because their lack of knowledge due to their laziness to find answers by themselves. If you have further explanations of your viewpoint, add it to your article and it will be great. Otherwise, if you don't, maybe you can just say this is part of the reasons.

    4. People need proves to believe and be convinced by your point of view. Add some statistic or proves to convince them.

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  2. Editor's opinions.
    1. Point “lack for experience and being defrauded” is good and ok.

    2. But lacking for experience did not absolutely mean that one doesn’t want to find answer by oneself. Sometimes people get defrauded just because they think it is true and don’t think it is a trick. Therefore, you may list those probable reasons why you link them up.

    3. Suggest add some explanations about your point.

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  3. You posted the chat content in the wrong place. You should not post it in the group blog, but in your individual blogs. Read the following post:
    http://journalisticwriting.blogspot.com/2009/03/news-discussions-1-in-second-life.html

    3/25 Discussions in part 2
    [0:01] Alina Roxley: it seems nice here :)
    [0:01] Brooke Yven: Is here ok?
    [0:01] alicealice Zepp: Yes : )
    [0:01] Heather Alenquer: good
    [0:01] Brooke Yven: Um.
    [0:01] Alina Roxley: we can also discuss in the water
    [0:01] Alina Roxley: lol
    [0:01] alicealice Zepp: XDDDD
    [0:01] Brooke Yven: Let's take a pic?
    [0:01] alicealice Zepp: OK
    [0:01] Brooke Yven: Are you kidding?
    [0:02] Brooke Yven: making fun of me or XD?
    [0:02] Alina Roxley: haha
    [0:02] Heather Alenquer: do we have to go into water?
    [0:02] Alina Roxley: we won't get drown in the water
    [0:02] Brooke Yven: Wow, It's cooooool!1
    [0:02] Brooke Yven: It's cool here...
    [0:02] alicealice Zepp: : )
    [0:02] Alina Roxley: so it's so quiet here
    [0:02] Alina Roxley: nobody will come here
    [0:02] alicealice Zepp: Yes
    [0:02] Alina Roxley: lol
    [0:02] Brooke Yven: Ok, let's take a pic here.
    [0:03] Brooke Yven: XD
    [0:03] Heather Alenquer: OK
    [0:03] alicealice Zepp: OK OK
    [0:03] Alina Roxley: ok
    [0:03] Alina Roxley: who will take the pic?
    [0:03] Brooke Yven: I have done one.
    [0:03] alicealice Zepp: XDDDDD
    [0:04] alicealice Zepp: It is fine
    [0:04] Alina Roxley: maybe one more
    [0:04] Alina Roxley: just in case
    [0:04] Brooke Yven: Um. or any photo taker?
    [0:04] Brooke Yven: Or let's start our discussion?
    [0:04] alicealice Zepp: OK~~~
    [0:04] Alina Roxley: ok
    [0:05] Alina Roxley: who wants to be the writer first
    [0:05] Alina Roxley: no one?
    [0:05] Brooke Yven: How about start by name ranking?
    [0:06] Brooke Yven: if there is no volunteers...
    [0:06] Alina Roxley: 20-minutes for sharing news.
    --Writers will tell the story.
    --Reviewers will ask questions about unclear messages and comments on the soundness of the logic and the effectiveness of presentation.
    [0:06] Brooke Yven: ...?
    [0:07] Brooke Yven: Um.
    [0:07] Alina Roxley: 10-minutes for recommending revisions.
    --Editors will evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of the news piece and the relative importance of the issues raised by the reviewers.
    --Organizers will lead the review team by keeping discussion on schedule and post the chat transcript related to the discussion of the discussed news.
    [0:07] alicealice Zepp: It is so complicated T____T
    [0:07] Brooke Yven: Alice and Heather had done the organizing last week, how about one of you be the writer today?
    [0:08] Brooke Yven: Alina is just copying from the mail teacher sent us.
    [0:08] alicealice Zepp: I see
    [0:08] Brooke Yven: All the jobs are the same as last week, but we didn't take roles @@"
    [0:09] alicealice Zepp: OH~~~
    [0:09] Alina Roxley: so we have to read the writer's news first
    [0:09] Brooke Yven: Um.
    [0:09] Alina Roxley: and the reviewer has to ask q
    [0:09] Alina Roxley: qs
    [0:10] Alina Roxley: these have to be done in 20 mins
    [0:10] Brooke Yven: So we have to finish this by 3:30.
    [0:10] Heather Alenquer: yes i see
    [0:10] Alina Roxley: what about i take the writer first
    [0:10] alicealice Zepp: I think all of us should be the writer?
    [0:10] alicealice Zepp: OK
    [0:11] alicealice Zepp: Then we ask you questions
    [0:11] alicealice Zepp: Right?
    [0:11] Alina Roxley: so each of u takes the other three roles
    [0:11] Brooke Yven: It should be taking turns actually; but if the work has been done right, I think it is okay, too.
    [0:11] alicealice Zepp: I see
    [0:12] Brooke Yven: There is need for a volunteer for reviewer; an editor and an organizer.
    [0:12] Alina Roxley: who can be the reviewer?
    [0:12] alicealice Zepp: I
    [0:12] Brooke Yven: Ok.
    [0:12] Heather Alenquer: then i take the organizer
    [0:12] Alina Roxley: ok
    [0:12] Brooke Yven: Then I am the editor.
    [0:12] alicealice Zepp: OK~~~
    [0:12] Brooke Yven: Done. Great:
    [0:12] Brooke Yven: : )
    [0:13] alicealice Zepp: So tell us your story, dear Lin : )
    [0:13] Alina Roxley: http://linchiehpeng.blogspot.com/
    [0:14] Alina Roxley: i took the opinions from the same interviewees last time
    [0:14] Alina Roxley: about the further questions about courses
    [0:14] alicealice Zepp: I am reading it : )
    [0:15] Alina Roxley: the first paragraph tells the main idea of the whole news
    [0:15] Alina Roxley: the second is about the percentage of courses in different languages the students take
    [0:16] Alina Roxley: the third is about the advantages and disadvantages the students have from the courses lectured in chinese
    [0:17] Alina Roxley: the fourth is the advantages and disadvantages the students have from the courses lectured in half chinese half eng
    [0:18] Brooke Yven: Btw, what am I going to do? Picking out grammatical problems?
    [0:18] Alina Roxley: the fifth is their opinions of if the courses lectured in eng is enough for their graduation credits
    [0:19] Brooke Yven: Teacher didn't mention about the work of editor...?
    [0:19] Brooke Yven: orz
    [0:19] Alina Roxley: in the first 20 mins just the writer ha s to tell the story and the reviewer asks qs
    [0:20] Alina Roxley: 10-minutes for recommending revisions.
    --Editors will evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of the news piece and the relative importance of the issues raised by the reviewers.
    --Organizers will lead the review team by keeping discussion on schedule and post the chat transcript related to the discussion of the discussed news.
    [0:20] Brooke Yven: Ohhhh
    [0:20] Brooke Yven: I found it.
    [0:20] alicealice Zepp: @_@
    [0:20] Alina Roxley: the sixth is the situation of the students who take courses in other universities]
    [0:21] alicealice Zepp: HOw many international students you interviewed?
    [0:21] Alina Roxley: the last paragraph is the conclusion
    [0:21] Alina Roxley: 10
    [0:21] alicealice Zepp: Because at each example you mentioned some students
    [0:21] Alina Roxley: the same as those in last news i wrote
    [0:22] alicealice Zepp: But I get a little confused about it XD
    [0:22] Alina Roxley: because i tell the exceptions previously i think
    [0:22] Alina Roxley: for special reasons some students can't answer all qs
    [0:23] alicealice Zepp: I see
    [0:23] Alina Roxley: The student from Haiti is not included in this statistics because she didn’t take any courses for the reason that there are no required courses for her program.
    [0:23] alicealice Zepp: Yes
    [0:23] Alina Roxley: The student from Guatemala has a program in which all courses are lectured in English.
    [0:23] alicealice Zepp: So why do you mention her?
    [0:24] alicealice Zepp: XDDDDDD
    [0:24] Alina Roxley: so he can't aanswer qs about courses lecctured in chinese or half chinnese half eng
    [0:24] Alina Roxley: The average percentage of the courses they take is 17% in Chinese, 76.13% in English, 6.79% in half-Chinese half-English. The student from Haiti is not included in this statistics because she didn’t take any courses for the reason that there are no required courses for her program.
    [0:24] Alina Roxley: i think i should tell that she isn't included in the statistics right?
    [0:25] alicealice Zepp: Yes~~~
    [0:25] Heather Alenquer: tou can do that
    [0:25] Heather Alenquer: you
    [0:25] Alina Roxley: so the statistics r just for those 9 students
    [0:25] alicealice Zepp: Um
    [0:25] alicealice Zepp: Your point is very clear : )
    [0:26] alicealice Zepp: It makes readers understand what you want to discuss : )
    [0:26] Heather Alenquer: yes
    [0:26] Alina Roxley: thank u:)
    [0:26] Heather Alenquer: i think it is good
    [0:27] Alina Roxley: thanx ^^
    [0:27] Heather Alenquer: so your point is to tell the room to improve the university courses?
    [0:27] Alina Roxley: anywhere u don't understand?
    [0:27] alicealice Zepp: And perhaps you can mention those students s departments : )
    [0:27] Alina Roxley: ya the situation and the space to improve
    [0:28] alicealice Zepp: It can let us see more about thier situations : )
    [0:28] Heather Alenquer: um
    [0:28] Alina Roxley: ok i will think
    [0:29] Alina Roxley: but what if their department is not so related to the point
    [0:30] Heather Alenquer: why do you mention that they take courses in other university?
    [0:30] alicealice Zepp: Well, I just think that maybe different departments may use different way to teach...: )
    [0:30] alicealice Zepp: So I will like to know
    [0:30] Heather Alenquer: i see :)
    [0:31] Alina Roxley: because they think the courses lectured in eng in NCU is not enough for their required graduation credits
    [0:31] Heather Alenquer: oh that's the point
    [0:31] alicealice Zepp: YA
    [0:32] alicealice Zepp: maybe it is problem of ncu XDDDDDDD
    [0:32] Alina Roxley: lol
    [0:32] Heather Alenquer: ya i thought that
    [0:32] Alina Roxley: so r we still in the first part of the discussion
    [0:33] Brooke Yven: Excuse me, Alice. Did you mean that the departments these students are in related to the course teaching methods?
    [0:33] Alina Roxley: is the organizer keeping the chedule
    [0:33] Alina Roxley: schedule
    [0:34] alicealice Zepp: I guess
    [0:34] Heather Alenquer: well i just ask what i want to know
    [0:34] Heather Alenquer: is thier a standard schedule?
    [0:34] Brooke Yven: Sorry, I can't get your point so far...
    [0:34] Alina Roxley: ya 20 mins for the first part
    [0:35] Alina Roxley: 10 mins for the second
    [0:35] Alina Roxley: because the text should be saved abd showed
    [0:35] Alina Roxley: Organizers will lead the review team by keeping discussion on schedule and post the chat transcript related to the discussion of the discussed news.
    [0:35] Brooke Yven: Would you explain the relationship between the departments and the courses they are taking?
    [0:36] Alina Roxley: it seems we r one the second part
    [0:36] alicealice Zepp: I have not idea about it so i expect to see it in the article
    [0:37] Alina Roxley: ya i don't see thes trong connection between the departments they r from and the courses so far
    [0:37] Brooke Yven: Me either...
    [0:37] Alina Roxley: but i will think about it
    [0:37] Alina Roxley: i will read the questionnaire again later
    [0:38] alicealice Zepp: OK : )
    [0:38] Alina Roxley: to see the relation
    [0:38] Alina Roxley: any more qs?
    [0:39] Heather Alenquer: sorry i cannot see either, i think no
    [0:39] Brooke Yven: So you meant that if Lin told you which departments they are in, you may find out some other informations why they have difficulties taking enough courses credits?
    [0:39] alicealice Zepp: At first I want to know what subjects they were studing
    [0:40] Heather Alenquer: does that matter?
    [0:40] alicealice Zepp: I just want to know XDrz
    [0:40] alicealice Zepp: It doesnt matter
    [0:41] Heather Alenquer: oh maybe it does i am not sure
    [0:41] Heather Alenquer: ok then sall we continue?
    [0:42] Alina Roxley: i think the main point of the news is about the courses lectured in different ways
    [0:42] Alina Roxley: the three ways i mention in the news
    [0:42] Alina Roxley: abd their understandings of the three teaching ways of the courses
    [0:43] alicealice Zepp: I see
    [0:43] Brooke Yven: Well, if it's time for the second part, is it my turn to speak ^^"?
    [0:43] Alina Roxley: so i think maybe it doesn't matter what deapartments they r from
    [0:43] Brooke Yven: I just want to make sure ...orz
    [0:43] alicealice Zepp: OK~~~ : )
    [0:43] Alina Roxley: ok brooke speaks :)
    [0:44] Heather Alenquer: ok
    [0:45] Brooke Yven: Well, so it seems that I have to talk about the opinions given by reviewer and the importance of her opinions?
    [0:45] Alina Roxley: ya
    [0:45] Brooke Yven: Ok. I see.
    [0:45] Alina Roxley: and u think what parts should be revised
    [0:46] Alina Roxley: -Editors will evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of the news piece and the relative importance of the issues raised by the reviewers.
    [0:46] Brooke Yven: So far the main advice given by reviewer is that writer should add the departments these students are in.
    [0:47] Alina Roxley: ya it seems so
    [0:48] Brooke Yven: Well, basically, this news is about the situation foreigner students taking courses in NCU and other universities.
    [0:49] Alina Roxley: ya their taking courses in other universities is one of the solutions they have when the courses in eng r not enough
    [0:49] Brooke Yven: And it focus on the difficulty in language barriers when they are taking these courses.
    [0:51] Brooke Yven: So, I think the most reason for this is the languages they speak, which is due to the original countries they are in instead of the departments they are belong to.
    [0:51] alicealice Zepp: OK : )
    [0:52] Brooke Yven: If the departments they are in on this situation, it means they would have no difficulty in learning these lessons by any languages.
    [0:52] Brooke Yven: However,
    [0:53] Heather Alenquer: excuse me , is it that i have post the chat transcript related to the discussion afterclass?
    [0:53] alicealice Zepp: @_@
    [0:53] Heather Alenquer: or later?
    [0:54] Alina Roxley: 2. Organizers should post chat transcripts and a short evaluative and constructive report reflecting the reviewer's and the editor's opinions about for the writer on his/her blog postings before Friday.
    [0:54] Brooke Yven: being a study-report news, Lin does need to tell all the relative datas and statistics readers should be able to know. :-)
    [0:54] Heather Alenquer: ok
    [0:55] alicealice Zepp: But we take different roles at each articles
    [0:55] Brooke Yven: Heather may ask Alice if she was in charge last week.
    [0:55] alicealice Zepp: ????
    [0:55] Brooke Yven: Who did the organizing work last week?
    [0:55] Brooke Yven: Alice?
    [0:55] Heather Alenquer: ya i have the same question as alice's
    [0:56] alicealice Zepp: Heather and I
    [0:56] alicealice Zepp: We post the discussion and headline
    [0:56] Brooke Yven: So let's take Alice as representative for last week since Heather is doing this week@@"
    [0:57] Alina Roxley: i tihnk everyone takes turns to be the organizer and post the transcripts
    [0:57] alicealice Zepp: but the professor deleted the discussion
    [0:57] alicealice Zepp: And we post comments to every blog
    [0:57] alicealice Zepp: ~~~
    [0:57] Heather Alenquer: ok i think we should continue our discussion
    [0:58] Alina Roxley: what discussion?
    [0:58] Heather Alenquer: the next writer
    [0:58] Alina Roxley: volunteer?
    [0:58] Brooke Yven: If you are the organizer at the run, all you have to do is to keep discussion on schedule and copy the writer's, the reviewer's, and the editor's dialogue. After class, you will post ON THE WRITER'S BLOG (1) the dialogue and (2) your summary of the reviewer and the editor's SUGGESTED REVISIONS
    [0:59] Alina Roxley: ya that's clear
    [0:59] Heather Alenquer: ok thax :)
    [0:59] Alina Roxley: everyone would have the turn do to that
    [0:59] Brooke Yven: You're welcome.: )
    [0:59] Brooke Yven: Um.
    [0:59] Alina Roxley: wit
    [1:00] alicealice Zepp: http://classalice.blogspot.com/
    [1:00] Brooke Yven: wit? wait?
    [1:00] Alina Roxley: so the editor doesn't have opinions about what parts i should strengthen or weaken
    [1:00] Alina Roxley: to make the point more effective?
    [1:01] Heather Alenquer: maybe we can simply email or MSN that
    [1:01] Alina Roxley: Brooke Yven: being a study-report news, Lin does need to tell all the relative datas and statistics readers should be able to know. :-)
    [1:01] Alina Roxley: and does it mean i should write the departments they r from?
    [1:02] Brooke Yven: Well, it is necessary for writer to give as more information as he/she can for justice and objectification.
    [1:02] Alina Roxley: ok
    [1:02] Alina Roxley: i understand :)
    [1:02] Alina Roxley: so it's the only thing i should revise?
    [1:03] Heather Alenquer: alice's i take the revewier
    [1:03] alicealice Zepp: OK
    [1:03] Heather Alenquer: reviewer
    [1:03] Brooke Yven: Well, if your want to make people comprehensively understand their situation, you do.
    [1:04] Brooke Yven: if you think these are enough, then you can skip this.
    [1:04] Alina Roxley: ok thanx :)
    [1:05] Alina Roxley: so i take the editor?
    [1:05] alicealice Zepp: OK~
    [1:05] Brooke Yven: no, I am editor this time.
    [1:05] Alina Roxley: because brooke was editer
    [1:05] alicealice Zepp: Oh~~~XDDD
    [1:05] Brooke Yven: Oh, are you talking about next time?
    [1:06] Alina Roxley: now we r on alice's news right?
    [1:06] alicealice Zepp: OK
    [1:06] Brooke Yven: Do we have to talk about all the news?
    [1:06] alicealice Zepp: I am not sure...
    [1:07] Alina Roxley: yes we do
    [1:07] Brooke Yven: I see.
    [1:07] Alina Roxley: and take turns to take different roles each time
    [1:07] Brooke Yven: Then Alice is both reviewer and writer?
    [1:07] Alina Roxley: alice is writer now
    [1:08] Brooke Yven: Cause we are not the writer of her news, how can we tell what is about her news?
    [1:08] alicealice Zepp: I am the writer
    [1:08] Alina Roxley: so she's the writer
    [1:08] Alina Roxley: and tells the news
    [1:08] Alina Roxley: lol
    [1:09] Brooke Yven: Do you mean that everyone would play four roles each time?
    [1:09] Alina Roxley: yes
    [1:09] Heather Alenquer: and i am the reviwer
    [1:09] Brooke Yven: I finally see...
    [1:09] Alina Roxley: lol
    [1:09] Alina Roxley: so im the editor
    [1:09] alicealice Zepp: http://classalice.blogspot.com
    [1:09] Alina Roxley: brooke is the organizer this time :)
    [1:09] alicealice Zepp: sorry you should add /
    [1:09] Brooke Yven: Then I'll be the organizer.
    [1:10] alicealice Zepp: But you are the organizer on Lin s news@___@
    [1:10] Brooke Yven: but wait a minute
    [1:10] Alina Roxley: no brooke was the editor on my news
    [1:11] alicealice Zepp: oh I misunderstood
    [1:11] alicealice Zepp: sorry : )
    [1:11] Alina Roxley: CPSL
    [1:11] Alina Roxley: CPBL
    [1:11] alicealice Zepp: Sorry!!!!!
    [1:11] Alina Roxley: maybe u can write the full names
    [1:11] alicealice Zepp: OK
    [1:12] Alina Roxley: so readers would be more clears
    [1:12] Brooke Yven: Then, everyone shoud list only 1 headlines and leading sentence? Instead of one organizer lists 4 headlines and leading sentences?
    [1:12] alicealice Zepp: I see
    [1:12] Alina Roxley: some readers like me rn't familiar with baseball
    [1:12] alicealice Zepp: Sorry I didn t consider it : ) I will add it
    [1:13] Alina Roxley: for example national central university(NCU
    [1:13] Alina Roxley: (NCU)
    [1:13] alicealice Zepp: OK
    [1:13] Alina Roxley: sorry brooke i don;t get u
    [1:14] Heather Alenquer: do you think it would be interesting to mention why Taiwan's baseball become weak?
    [1:14] alicealice Zepp: Interesting?
    [1:15] Alina Roxley: alice, can u tell us what r ur point in each paragraph respectively
    [1:15] Heather Alenquer: more attracting i guess
    [1:15] alicealice Zepp: OK
    [1:15] Heather Alenquer: why it is popular before and why it is weak now
    [1:15] Heather Alenquer: like that
    [1:16] alicealice Zepp: 1. Baseball was more popular at Taiwan at the past. And we had good team.
    [1:17] alicealice Zepp: 2. Yet now the situation has changed. Our Team beome weak.
    [1:19] alicealice Zepp: 3.We are lack of support form the government and we need more disciplines and skills and efforts to make our team better.
    [1:20] alicealice Zepp: Heather can you say what you said again?
    [1:20] Heather Alenquer: ok i think if you write about why then it is more apealing to readers
    [1:21] alicealice Zepp: OK I will add those reasons
    [1:21] Heather Alenquer: why it is popular before and why it is not now
    [1:21] Heather Alenquer: ya
    [1:21] Heather Alenquer: :)
    [1:21] alicealice Zepp: I see : )
    [1:22] Heather Alenquer: and i think maybe you can take examples
    [1:22] Alina Roxley: i agree with heather
    [1:22] alicealice Zepp: examples?
    [1:22] Heather Alenquer: like which match we win big
    [1:23] alicealice Zepp: Oh I see
    [1:23] Heather Alenquer: and the impossible match we lose
    [1:23] alicealice Zepp: OK
    [1:23] Alina Roxley: ya u can write a representive game we have winned in the history
    [1:24] Alina Roxley: and why our team was so good before
    [1:24] Alina Roxley: maybe u can make comparison of the policies before and now
    [1:24] Alina Roxley: in the beginning maybe u can write a representative game we have winned to attract the readers
    [1:25] alicealice Zepp: OH I see : )
    [1:25] Alina Roxley: recall the readers memory
    [1:25] alicealice Zepp: Um
    [1:25] Heather Alenquer: personally i think the ball game fan s' participation is also critical to the teams
    [1:25] Alina Roxley: ya to write about some imprtant effects
    [1:26] Alina Roxley: not just statement
    [1:26] alicealice Zepp: OK I will revise it
    [1:26] Alina Roxley: it may attract readers more
    [1:26] Alina Roxley: and rich ur story
    [1:27] Heather Alenquer: yes
    [1:27] alicealice Zepp: OK thanks ; ))
    [1:27] Alina Roxley: Alina Roxley: ya to write about some imprtant effects
    [1:27] Alina Roxley: sorry i mean some "facts"
    [1:27] alicealice Zepp: oh
    [1:28] Alina Roxley: not just say it was good and it is bad
    [1:28] Alina Roxley: tell more about what policies make them good and bad
    [1:28] Alina Roxley: and what stories support that they r good and ba
    [1:28] Alina Roxley: bad
    [1:29] alicealice Zepp: Ok, I see your point : )
    [1:29] Alina Roxley: :)
    [1:29] Heather Alenquer: are we done now?
    [1:29] Alina Roxley: and the title
    [1:30] Alina Roxley: maybe u can say Taiwan's baseball was great!
    [1:30] alicealice Zepp: OH!!!!!
    [1:30] alicealice Zepp: XDDDD I see
    [1:30] Alina Roxley: maybe it sttracts readers attention more
    [1:30] Alina Roxley: lol
    [1:30] Alina Roxley: sttract
    [1:30] Alina Roxley: attract
    [1:31] alicealice Zepp: good advice
    [1:31] Alina Roxley: and more encouraging to our people
    [1:31] Alina Roxley: the emotion
    [1:31] Alina Roxley: the old memory
    [1:31] Heather Alenquer: ya i agree
    [1:31] alicealice Zepp: Umm
    [1:31] alicealice Zepp: OK
    [1:32] Alina Roxley: :)
    [1:33] Heather Alenquer: then shall i be the next writer? mine is very short i think not long enough
    [1:33] alicealice Zepp: YA
    [1:34] Brooke Yven: Um.
    [1:34] Heather Alenquer: http://journalisticwritingclass-heather.blogspot.com/
    [1:34] Brooke Yven: Then what am I now?
    [1:34] Heather Alenquer: i will have to add
    [1:34] Alina Roxley: so i will be the reviewer
    [1:35] Heather Alenquer: you can choose as your wish
    [1:35] Alina Roxley: brooke u can just take the role u didn;t take
    [1:35] Brooke Yven: but the rest are all taken ...
    [1:35] Brooke Yven: I've been editor and organizer.
    [1:35] Brooke Yven: But the rest two are chosen by you@@"
    [1:36] Brooke Yven: so what should I do now?
    [1:36] alicealice Zepp: @@
    [1:36] Alina Roxley: so i will be organizer
    [1:36] alicealice Zepp: then I am editor
    [1:36] Alina Roxley: brooke take the reviewer
    [1:36] Alina Roxley: :)
    [1:36] Brooke Yven: Um. : )
    [1:37] Heather Alenquer: i think there are 2 points in my writing
    [1:38] Heather Alenquer: 1. speed 2. it suits environment protection
    [1:38] alicealice Zepp: Um
    [1:39] Heather Alenquer: maybe i will have to add some changes on people's life or other things
    [1:39] alicealice Zepp: Yes I agree
    [1:40] Brooke Yven: I'm curious about how do high speed rail protect our environment.
    [1:40] alicealice Zepp: because in p1 you mentioned rail enthusiast and excited tourist
    [1:40] Heather Alenquer: it ueses a kind of relitively clean power
    [1:41] alicealice Zepp: but how about most people ? :)
    [1:41] Heather Alenquer: i forgot to write that
    [1:41] Heather Alenquer: and the land usage is higher
    [1:41] Heather Alenquer: sorry i don't understand alice's question
    [1:42] alicealice Zepp: I said I agree you to add some effects to people
    [1:42] Heather Alenquer: ya
    [1:42] Heather Alenquer: lots of things i should mention
    [1:43] alicealice Zepp: because I think the HIgh Speed rail not only affect the two kind you mentioned
    [1:43] Heather Alenquer: ya right
    [1:44] Brooke Yven: In what way does High Speed Rail decrease the air polution and raise the land usage?
    [1:44] Brooke Yven: You have given me statistics without reasons for it.
    [1:45] Heather Alenquer: cars and buses need to burn oil
    [1:45] Heather Alenquer: and leave CO2
    [1:45] Heather Alenquer: and other gas
    [1:46] Heather Alenquer: as for the efficiency of the usage
    [1:47] Heather Alenquer: cars and buses use more land than rail
    [1:47] Heather Alenquer: is my english understandable?
    [1:47] Brooke Yven: Then, you may add the donation it does in air protection and tell me the reasons for efficiency of land.
    [1:47] Brooke Yven: Yes.
    [1:48] Heather Alenquer: i see
    [1:48] Brooke Yven: Oh.
    [1:48] Heather Alenquer: that would be more clear
    [1:48] Brooke Yven: There is another question.
    [1:48] Heather Alenquer: yes
    [1:49] Brooke Yven: You did mention that High Speed Rail is a must-to-know to rail enthusiast and tourist.
    [1:50] Heather Alenquer: Heather Alenquer: as for the efficiency of the usage sorry it is "usage of land"
    [1:50] Heather Alenquer: yes
    [1:50] Brooke Yven: Is it only due to the speed it has?
    [1:50] Heather Alenquer: yes that's what i mean
    [1:51] Heather Alenquer: the speed makes big different
    [1:51] Brooke Yven: Nothing include the shape, service, price or esle?
    [1:51] Brooke Yven: Cause it is not the fastest rail in the world...
    [1:52] Heather Alenquer: sorry i've got to meet my friend around 5o'clock >< [1:52] Heather Alenquer: i see your question [1:52] Brooke Yven: Um. [1:52] Heather Alenquer: um i will think about that [1:53] Brooke Yven: Well, I've done. [1:53] Brooke Yven: How about editor? [1:53] Heather Alenquer: Thank you: ) [1:53] alicealice Zepp: I have asked my quention [1:53] Brooke Yven: Um. [1:54] Brooke Yven: Then, I'll be the writer and organizer next? [1:54] Brooke Yven: Since Heather would be absent... [1:55] Heather Alenquer: thank you: ) it's so nice of you~ i've got to go > < [1:55] Brooke Yven: See ya. ^^ [1:55] alicealice Zepp: Bye : ) [1:56] Brooke Yven: http://brookeinjournalisticwriting.blogspot.com/ [1:56] Brooke Yven: This is mine. [1:57] Brooke Yven: 1. In modern society, people gradually have less and less time doing each thing. Therefore, they don't spend time getting understand to the things which they rarely get involved into, therefore, there are defrauds made for them. [1:57] Brooke Yven: 2. The causing reason for the rapidly increasing defrauds: people are lazy to find out answers to these events, which are made use of by gangsters. Everyone should be ware not to stay lazy to find answers by themselves or they would be the next victim. [1:57] Brooke Yven: That's all. Alina Roxley: so im the reviewer [1:58] alicealice Zepp: Ok I am the editor [1:58] Brooke Yven: Oops, there are two thereforesXDD [1:59] Brooke Yven: Anyway, it is mostly talking about lack for living experience @@ [2:00] alicealice Zepp: Um [2:01] Alina Roxley: sounds very critical one :) [2:01] Brooke Yven: Um...I found that I seems to be easily creating critical news? [2:01] Brooke Yven: orz [2:02] alicealice Zepp: XDDDD [2:03] alicealice Zepp: You said Taiwaness become less willing to spend a period of time doing one thing at a time [2:03] Brooke Yven: Um. [2:04] Alina Roxley: ya i found ur tendency too brooke [2:04] Brooke Yven: Haha... [2:04] alicealice Zepp: But did it mean that people will have no will to find answer by themselves? [2:05] Brooke Yven: ... [2:07] Brooke Yven: What I meant in the 1st par was that, people is getting used to finish several things at a time, thus they do not want to spend long time on one thing. [2:07] Alina Roxley: what's the connection between people's being lazy to find answers and they r easily to get defrauded [2:07] alicealice Zepp: Um [2:07] Alina Roxley: i think ur angle is original and new [2:07] Alina Roxley: but maybe u can give more reasons and details [2:08] Brooke Yven: If they get involved into a thing they seldom got involved, they would wait for people to tell them what to instead of find out the true answer. [2:08] Alina Roxley: and as a reader i come up with the doubt: most people who r defrauded r old and uneducated people [2:09] Brooke Yven: no. [2:09] Alina Roxley: so u mentioned those students who go to cram school and just waiting for answers [2:09] Brooke Yven: There are many doctors and masters, too. [2:09] Alina Roxley: oh [2:09] Alina Roxley: so u should mention this [2:09] alicealice Zepp: Umm [2:10] Brooke Yven: I meant the cram education culture, not students who go to cram schools. [2:10] Brooke Yven: Um I see. [2:10] Alina Roxley: ok [2:10] Alina Roxley: maybe u can make more explanations why [2:10] Alina Roxley: about the connection [2:11] alicealice Zepp: Yes,because I got a little confused [2:11] Brooke Yven: Sure. I'll consider this. [2:11] Alina Roxley: because as a reader, i get confused [2:11] Alina Roxley: and ask why? [2:11] Alina Roxley: the permanent cram education culture of Taiwan that people no longer spend time searching for necessary details they need. [2:12] Alina Roxley: it makes readers think u mean the people who go to cram school [2:12] Alina Roxley: because people going to crram school receive the cram school culture [2:13] alicealice Zepp: I think your point-lack for experience and being defrauded is good and ok [2:14] Brooke Yven: It is hard to tell whether it is due to A (the convenient Internet) or B (the permanent cram education culture of Taiwan) [2:14] Alina Roxley: i get from ur story that people nowadays r easily to get defrauded because their lack of knowledge [2:14] Alina Roxley: due to their laziness [2:14] Alina Roxley: to find answers by themselves [2:14] Alina Roxley: right? [2:14] Brooke Yven: that people no longer ... [2:14] alicealice Zepp: But I think lack for experience did not absolutely mean that one doesn t want to find answer by oneself [2:15] Brooke Yven: Um. Exactly. [2:16] Brooke Yven: It seems to stray from the original idea a little. Ha ha... [2:16] Alina Roxley: so do u mean people in old times r not easily to get defrauded because they find answers by themselves and know more things [2:17] Alina Roxley: "people lack of experiences and understandings about things" is not necessarily the reason why people nowadays get defrauded easily [2:18] Brooke Yven: Well, it is hard to tell. But I think people in old times would be able to have more time and second thought to be ware of this. [2:18] Alina Roxley: if u don't give more explanations about the connection, readers might just think it's just part of the reason [2:19] alicealice Zepp: ......I think sometimes people get defrauded just because they think it is true they don t think it is a trick [2:19] Alina Roxley: althought nowadays people r lazy to find answers, but it doesn't mean people have less knowledge than people in old times [2:19] Brooke Yven: Maybe I should add statement like this is partial reason for this situation? [2:19] Alina Roxley: people should have more knowledge right ? due to the transparent of the informations [2:20] Brooke Yven: No. [2:20] Brooke Yven: Inspite of knowledge, there must be some reasons causing this situation. [2:21] Alina Roxley: if u have further explanaitions of ur viewpoint, add it to ur article and it will be great [2:21] alicealice Zepp: I agree... [2:21] Alina Roxley: if u don't, maybe u can just say it's part of the reason [2:21] Brooke Yven: Since there are still people with great knowledge been trapped. [2:22] Alina Roxley: and i think there r not many cases in old times people get defrauded [2:22] Brooke Yven: Um, I agree with you that I might add a sentence like this. [2:22] Alina Roxley: because there r not many people trying to defraauding people [2:22] alicealice Zepp: I think you can list those probable reasons [2:22] Alina Roxley: not because they r smarter [2:23] Brooke Yven: That's why I could not answer your last q confirmly. [2:23] Brooke Yven: Wait, what is your statement now, Alina? [2:23] Alina Roxley: hey im sorry i have to leave for few mminutes [2:24] Brooke Yven: I can not fully understand it. [2:24] Alina Roxley: my friend brings something for me [2:24] Alina Roxley: ill be back as soon as possible [2:24] Brooke Yven: Oh. [2:24] Alina Roxley: ok in 5 minutes [2:24] Alina Roxley: ? [2:24] Alina Roxley: because my friend is waiting for a long time [2:24] Alina Roxley: lol [2:25] Alina Roxley: ok? [2:26] Brooke Yven: I want to make sure about your last sentences about why there were less defrauds in the old times. [2:26] Alina Roxley: because there r not so many people trying to defraud people [2:26] Brooke Yven: now? [2:26] Alina Roxley: i tihnkit's a phenomenon nowadays [2:26] Alina Roxley: Alina Roxley: because there r not so many people trying to defraud people [2:27] Alina Roxley: i mmean there were [2:27] Alina Roxley: sorry [2:27] Alina Roxley: in old times [2:27] Alina Roxley: i just mention that what readers might think and have other thoughts to argue [2:28] Brooke Yven: There were less people trying to trick people so there were less defrauds? [2:28] Brooke Yven: in the old time? [2:28] Alina Roxley: if u have more explanations, it may convince people more [2:28] Brooke Yven: Um. [2:28] Alina Roxley: less cases of defrauding [2:28] Brooke Yven: Okay. I see. [2:29] Alina Roxley: i think what causes the phenomenon is complicated [2:29] Brooke Yven: That's true. [2:29] Alina Roxley: and could be multiple reasons [2:30] Brooke Yven: So merely I have to add the sentence telling people this is just partial reasons; or add more examples and explain? [2:30] Alina Roxley: so maybe u can give more explanations to say what u write is an important reason [2:30] Alina Roxley: to cause this phenomenon [2:30] Alina Roxley: but not the only reason [2:30] Brooke Yven: Perfect. Thank you very much. [2:30] Alina Roxley: just make ur reason strong by giving more detailed explanations [2:30] Brooke Yven: ^w^ [2:31] Brooke Yven: I'll think about this. [2:31] Alina Roxley: ^^ [2:32] Alina Roxley: maybe in ur explanations, u can add some powerful statistics or something seems scientifical evidence [2:32] Brooke Yven: Well, I'll work on it. [2:33] Alina Roxley: so the news would look more dependable [2:33] Alina Roxley: otherwise people would think it's just what u think [2:33] Brooke Yven: There must be some polic statistics. [2:33] Alina Roxley: where is ur proof? [2:33] Brooke Yven: police [2:33] Brooke Yven: ha? [2:34] Alina Roxley: ya people need prooves to believe and be convinced by ur point of view [2:34] Alina Roxley: ur angle is creative and great [2:34] Brooke Yven: Well, it is said by other news that people got trapped because they lack living experiences. [2:35] Alina Roxley: but i believe anything new that cinvinces people have prooves, evidences to surport that [2:35] Brooke Yven: Therefore, I want to give an answer to this statement. [2:35] Alina Roxley: [2:34] Brooke Yven: Well, it is said by other news that people got trapped because they lack living experiences. [2:35] Alina Roxley: really? [2:36] Brooke Yven: Thanks for your advices, I'll look for some concret prooves. [2:36] Brooke Yven: Yes. [2:36] Alina Roxley: ur welcome :) [2:36] Brooke Yven: I've read it. [2:36] Brooke Yven: them. [2:36] Alina Roxley: does it gives any prooves, statistics? [2:37] Brooke Yven: They are told by police actually. [2:37] Alina Roxley: ok [2:37] Brooke Yven: I think the police may have done some researches.^^" [2:37] Alina Roxley: so u can make this viewpoint more powerful by different angle if prooves [2:38] Alina Roxley: of prooves [2:38] Alina Roxley: different research materials [2:38] Brooke Yven: I'll try to look for some. >"< [2:38] Alina Roxley: ok good luck :) [2:38] Brooke Yven: So basically, Alice is agree with Alina? [2:39] alicealice Zepp: Yes because after your discussion I really got a little confused [2:39] Alina Roxley: lol [2:39] Alina Roxley: so can u give me a pardon [2:39] Alina Roxley: ill be back soon [2:39] Brooke Yven: It's okay. [2:39] alicealice Zepp: So I also suggesst you to add some explaination about your point [2:40] Brooke Yven: I think we may finish this here? [2:40] Alina Roxley: i have given u all my opinions [2:40] Alina Roxley: thank u:) [2:40] alicealice Zepp: OK [2:40] Brooke Yven: Thank you all. :-) [2:40] alicealice Zepp: :

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    [1:54] Brooke Yven: Then, I'll be the writer and organizer next?
    [1:54] Brooke Yven: Since Heather would be absent...
    [1:55] Heather Alenquer: thank you: ) it's so nice of you~ i've got to go > <
    [1:55] Brooke Yven: See ya. ^^
    [1:55] alicealice Zepp: Bye : )
    [1:56] Brooke Yven: http://brookeinjournalisticwriting.blogspot.com/
    [1:56] Brooke Yven: This is mine.
    [1:57] Brooke Yven: 1. In modern society, people gradually have less and less time doing each thing.
    Therefore, they don't spend time getting understand to the things which they rarely get involved into, therefore, there are defrauds made for them.
    [1:57] Brooke Yven: 2. The causing reason for the rapidly increasing defrauds: people are lazy to find out answers to these events, which are made use of by gangsters.
    Everyone should be ware not to stay lazy to find answers by themselves or they would be the next victim.
    [1:57] Brooke Yven: That's all.
    [1:58] Alina Roxley: so im the reviewer
    [1:58] alicealice Zepp: Ok I am the editor
    [1:58] Brooke Yven: Oops, there are two thereforesXDD
    [1:59] Brooke Yven: Anyway, it is mostly talking about lack for living experience @@
    [2:00] alicealice Zepp: Um
    [2:01] Alina Roxley: sounds very critical one :)
    [2:01] Brooke Yven: Um...I found that I seems to be easily creating critical news?
    [2:01] Brooke Yven: orz
    [2:02] alicealice Zepp: XDDDD
    [2:03] alicealice Zepp: You said Taiwaness become less willing to spend a period of time doing one thing at a time
    [2:03] Brooke Yven: Um.
    [2:04] Alina Roxley: ya i found ur tendency too brooke
    [2:04] Brooke Yven: Haha...
    [2:04] alicealice Zepp: But did it mean that people will have no will to find answer by themselves?
    [2:05] Brooke Yven: ...
    [2:07] Brooke Yven: What I meant in the 1st par was that, people is getting used to finish several things at a time, thus they do not want to spend long time on one thing.
    [2:07] Alina Roxley: what's the connection between people's being lazy to find answers and they r easily to get defrauded
    [2:07] alicealice Zepp: Um
    [2:07] Alina Roxley: i think ur angle is original and new
    [2:07] Alina Roxley: but maybe u can give more reasons and details
    [2:08] Brooke Yven: If they get involved into a thing they seldom got involved, they would wait for people to tell them what to instead of find out the true answer.
    [2:08] Alina Roxley: and as a reader i come up with the doubt: most people who r defrauded r old and uneducated people
    [2:09] Brooke Yven: no.
    [2:09] Alina Roxley: so u mentioned those students who go to cram school and just waiting for answers
    [2:09] Brooke Yven: There are many doctors and masters, too.
    [2:09] Alina Roxley: oh
    [2:09] Alina Roxley: so u should mention this
    [2:09] alicealice Zepp: Umm
    [2:10] Brooke Yven: I meant the cram education culture, not students who go to cram schools.
    [2:10] Brooke Yven: Um I see.
    [2:10] Alina Roxley: ok
    [2:10] Alina Roxley: maybe u can make more explanations why
    [2:10] Alina Roxley: about the connection
    [2:11] alicealice Zepp: Yes,because I got a little confused
    [2:11] Brooke Yven: Sure. I'll consider this.
    [2:11] Alina Roxley: because as a reader, i get confused
    [2:11] Alina Roxley: and ask why?
    [2:11] Alina Roxley: the permanent cram education culture of Taiwan that people no longer spend time searching for necessary details they need.
    [2:12] Alina Roxley: it makes readers think u mean the people who go to cram school
    [2:12] Alina Roxley: because people going to crram school receive the cram school culture
    [2:13] alicealice Zepp: I think your point-lack for experience and being defrauded is good and ok
    [2:14] Brooke Yven: It is hard to tell whether it is due to A (the convenient Internet) or B (the permanent cram education culture of Taiwan)
    [2:14] Alina Roxley: i get from ur story that people nowadays r easily to get defrauded because their lack of knowledge
    [2:14] Alina Roxley: due to their laziness
    [2:14] Alina Roxley: to find answers by themselves
    [2:14] Alina Roxley: right?
    [2:14] Brooke Yven: that people no longer ...
    [2:14] alicealice Zepp: But I think lack for experience did not absolutely mean that one doesn t want to find answer by oneself
    [2:15] Brooke Yven: Um. Exactly.
    [2:16] Brooke Yven: It seems to stray from the original idea a little. Ha ha...
    [2:16] Alina Roxley: so do u mean people in old times r not easily to get defrauded because they find answers by themselves and know more things
    [2:17] Alina Roxley: "people lack of experiences and understandings about things" is not necessarily the reason why people nowadays get defrauded easily
    [2:18] Brooke Yven: Well, it is hard to tell. But I think people in old times would be able to have more time and second thought to be ware of this.
    [2:18] Alina Roxley: if u don't give more explanations about the connection, readers might just think it's just part of the reason
    [2:19] alicealice Zepp: ......I think sometimes people get defrauded just because they think it is true they don t think it is a trick
    [2:19] Alina Roxley: althought nowadays people r lazy to find answers, but it doesn't mean people have less knowledge than people in old times
    [2:19] Brooke Yven: Maybe I should add statement like this is partial reason for this situation?
    [2:19] Alina Roxley: people should have more knowledge right ? due to the transparent of the informations
    [2:20] Brooke Yven: No.
    [2:20] Brooke Yven: Inspite of knowledge, there must be some reasons causing this situation.
    [2:21] Alina Roxley: if u have further explanaitions of ur viewpoint, add it to ur article and it will be great
    [2:21] alicealice Zepp: I agree...
    [2:21] Alina Roxley: if u don't, maybe u can just say it's part of the reason
    [2:21] Brooke Yven: Since there are still people with great knowledge been trapped.
    [2:22] Alina Roxley: and i think there r not many cases in old times people get defrauded
    [2:22] Brooke Yven: Um, I agree with you that I might add a sentence like this.
    [2:22] Alina Roxley: because there r not many people trying to defraauding people
    [2:22] alicealice Zepp: I think you can list those probable reasons
    [2:22] Alina Roxley: not because they r smarter
    [2:23] Brooke Yven: That's why I could not answer your last q confirmly.
    [2:23] Brooke Yven: Wait, what is your statement now, Alina?
    [2:23] Alina Roxley: hey im sorry i have to leave for few mminutes
    [2:24] Brooke Yven: I can not fully understand it.
    [2:24] Alina Roxley: my friend brings something for me
    [2:24] Alina Roxley: ill be back as soon as possible
    [2:24] Brooke Yven: Oh.
    [2:24] Alina Roxley: ok in 5 minutes
    [2:24] Alina Roxley: ?
    [2:24] Alina Roxley: because my friend is waiting for a long time
    [2:24] Alina Roxley: lol
    [2:25] Alina Roxley: ok?
    [2:26] Brooke Yven: I want to make sure about your last sentences about why there were less defrauds in the old times.
    [2:26] Alina Roxley: because there r not so many people trying to defraud people
    [2:26] Brooke Yven: now?
    [2:26] Alina Roxley: i tihnkit's a phenomenon nowadays
    [2:26] Alina Roxley: Alina Roxley: because there r not so many people trying to defraud people
    [2:27] Alina Roxley: i mmean there were
    [2:27] Alina Roxley: sorry
    [2:27] Alina Roxley: in old times
    [2:27] Alina Roxley: i just mention that what readers might think and have other thoughts to argue
    [2:28] Brooke Yven: There were less people trying to trick people so there were less defrauds?
    [2:28] Brooke Yven: in the old time?
    [2:28] Alina Roxley: if u have more explanations, it may convince people more
    [2:28] Brooke Yven: Um.
    [2:28] Alina Roxley: less cases of defrauding
    [2:28] Brooke Yven: Okay. I see.
    [2:29] Alina Roxley: i think what causes the phenomenon is complicated
    [2:29] Brooke Yven: That's true.
    [2:29] Alina Roxley: and could be multiple reasons
    [2:30] Brooke Yven: So merely I have to add the sentence telling people this is just partial reasons; or add more examples and explain?
    [2:30] Alina Roxley: so maybe u can give more explanations to say what u write is an important reason
    [2:30] Alina Roxley: to cause this phenomenon
    [2:30] Alina Roxley: but not the only reason
    [2:30] Brooke Yven: Perfect. Thank you very much.
    [2:30] Alina Roxley: just make ur reason strong by giving more detailed explanations
    [2:30] Brooke Yven: ^w^
    [2:31] Brooke Yven: I'll think about this.
    [2:31] Alina Roxley: ^^
    [2:32] Alina Roxley: maybe in ur explanations, u can add some powerful statistics or something seems scientifical evidence
    [2:32] Brooke Yven: Well, I'll work on it.
    [2:33] Alina Roxley: so the news would look more dependable
    [2:33] Alina Roxley: otherwise people would think it's just what u think
    [2:33] Brooke Yven: There must be some polic statistics.
    [2:33] Alina Roxley: where is ur proof?
    [2:33] Brooke Yven: police
    [2:33] Brooke Yven: ha?
    [2:34] Alina Roxley: ya people need prooves to believe and be convinced by ur point of view
    [2:34] Alina Roxley: ur angle is creative and great
    [2:34] Brooke Yven: Well, it is said by other news that people got trapped because they lack living experiences.
    [2:35] Alina Roxley: but i believe anything new that cinvinces people have prooves, evidences to surport that
    [2:35] Brooke Yven: Therefore, I want to give an answer to this statement.
    [2:35] Alina Roxley: [2:34] Brooke Yven: Well, it is said by other news that people got trapped because they lack living experiences.
    [2:35] Alina Roxley: really?
    [2:36] Brooke Yven: Thanks for your advices, I'll look for some concret prooves.
    [2:36] Brooke Yven: Yes.
    [2:36] Alina Roxley: ur welcome :)
    [2:36] Brooke Yven: I've read it .
    [2:36] Brooke Yven: them.
    [2:36] Alina Roxley: does it gives any prooves, statistics?
    [2:37] Brooke Yven: They are told by police actually.
    [2:37] Alina Roxley: ok
    [2:37] Brooke Yven: I think the police may have done some researches.^^"
    [2:37] Alina Roxley: so u can make this viewpoint more powerful by different angle if prooves
    [2:38] Alina Roxley: of prooves
    [2:38] Alina Roxley: different research materials
    [2:38] Brooke Yven: I'll try to look for some. >"<
    [2:38] Alina Roxley: ok good luck :)
    [2:38] Brooke Yven: So basically, Alice is agree with Alina?
    [2:39] alicealice Zepp: Yes because after your discussion I really got a little confused
    [2:39] Alina Roxley: lol
    [2:39] Alina Roxley: so can u give me a pardon
    [2:39] Alina Roxley: ill be back soon
    [2:39] Brooke Yven: It's okay.
    [2:39] alicealice Zepp: So I also suggesst you to add some explaination about your point
    [2:40] Brooke Yven: I think we may finish this here?
    [2:40] Alina Roxley: i have given u all my opinions
    [2:40] Alina Roxley: thank u:)
    [2:40] alicealice Zepp: OK
    [2:40] Brooke Yven: Thank you all. :-)
    [2:40] alicealice Zepp: : )

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